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Reader discussion: Germinal

Public reader discussion about Germinal in the WeRead Catalog by Émile Zola.

Is there a book that describes the condition of poor people in your country?

By coralKettle

So my partner is reading Engels’ *Condition of the Working Class in England* and has been giving me bits and pieces about it. It’s basically about laying out in detail what the British working class was dealing with in the first half of the 1800s, and that got me thinking. I know it’s a pretty specific kind of book, so it’s not like there’s one for every country, but I started wondering if there are other books that show the working class in different places or eras pretty well, even if they’re not super serious or even non-fiction. The ones I could come up with were *Germinal* by Émile Zola for France, and *The Grapes of Wrath* by Steinbeck for the US during the Great Depression. Do you think those actually give a pretty accurate picture of workers in those countries? And is there a good book like that for your country? Or for the countries I mentioned, but in other time periods? I’m Brazilian myself, but I couldn’t think of a good book about the working class here. Thanks in advance, and sorry if my English is bad.

I don't typically enjoy reading novels but I thoroughly enjoyed Emile Zola's 'Germinal' on the recommendation of my professor. Are there any other novels similar to this one that you can recommend?

By spring-copper1982

Not sure what to think yet, but I’m into it so far.

Is Emile Zola an underrated writer? What do you think?

By MuddyCarrot

It feels like a lot of people don’t really talk about his books much, even when classical lit gets discussed, so I honestly think he’s super underrated. I really like the quality of his writing, but it’s kind of hard to find people discussing it. Where I live, the only newer translation/edition of Zola I’ve seen is Nana, and even that one is from 2019. For Therese Raquin and Germinal I ended up having to buy second-hand copies, and the ones I found were from the 80s. I’m not even sure if my disappointment with Germinal is “the book” or just that particular translation—it didn’t feel great. After the early 2000s, there really don’t seem to be newer translations, and a lot of them are out of stock because they never did reprints. And then there are works that don’t even have edited translations at all (like L’Assommoir…). I just bought The Ladies’ Delight though (Au Bonheur des Dames), and I got the English one. Anyway, rant over—what do you think of his stuff? Is he underrated, or is he rated fairly?

What are the most random niche books you read as a kid?

By CipherFox8

That recent thread about “authors you didn’t realize were kind of wild” made me think—what are some random books you grabbed from the library or borrowed from a friend that you ended up loving, but they don’t really seem mainstream? For me, I still randomly think about No Flying in the House. It was a huge deal when I was in like 3rd grade. And then the Replica series—I read it in middle school and I got way too invested in the main character’s crush on her best friend’s older brother, lol. I was surprised to see they have way more Goodreads reviews than I expected, but I swear I’ve never heard anyone else talk about them. What about you? Have you ever tried reading them again? Would you still recommend them to the kids you know now?

Emile Zola

By SolarSummerGoose

I honestly didn’t expect to be this impressed by Lady’s Paradise. The writing and the romance grabbed me, but I also really liked the whole business/consumerism side of it—learning how department stores and that kind of shopping culture developed was fascinating. I couldn’t put the book down at all. I went and bought Germinal right away, but now I’m a little nervous to start it, just because I don’t know if it’ll live up to this. And it’s kind of annoying how little Zola you can actually find in bookstores. I’ll go to Barnes & Noble and sometimes there isn’t even one of his books. I did watch the BBC series too, and even though it changes the plot, I still enjoyed it. Overall, I feel like Zola is way underrated.

Emile Zola and the Rougon-Macquart series

By croupily

Just finished The Beast Within for my classics book club last night and I’m still kind of shaken up—in a good way. It honestly felt like a masterpiece to me. I didn’t really dislike any of it: the super detailed stuff (people, events, and even the railways/engines (!!)), all the drama, the way it keeps adding characters back to back, and the writing itself. I also thought the whole look at how awful people can get, and how desperate they can be, really hit hard. Has anyone here read any of the other books in the series? I think you don’t have to read them in order, but I’d love to hear what the other novels are like and if they’re worth it.

I couldn't find any high quality free audiobooks of Germinal by Émile Zola, so I'm starting to record one myself. Here is Chapter 1

By Superuser

Not totally sure if I’m allowed to post this—sorry if it’s not. https://youtu.be/tcuD_ht8hAw

Emile Zola's Nana and Rougon-Macquart series

By shoreyoung7571

Okay, I just really need to talk to someone about this book. This was my first Zola, and I honestly couldn’t believe how blunt it was—like the details were everywhere, even down to the smells. It felt like I was actually there, almost like time travel. And that whole description of Nana’s dead body at the end? Super unsettling. It also reminded me a lot of one of my favorite books, The Quincunx. So I know it’s a series—do I have to read all of them in order, or are there some you can pick and choose? Germinal is the next one I’m thinking about. Have you read it? What did you think?

Pro-Socialist V. Pro-Capitalist Literature

By faintDragon

I’ve read a bit of Rand, and I’m also working through Germinal right now—it kind of feels like it’s pushing a socialist angle, but I’m not finished yet so I’m not sure. I’m mostly just curious what other books people recommend that lean either way.

Some thoughts and questions about Therese Raquin by Emile Zola

By humble-hat

It started off pretty strong for me. The first hundred pages or so, up to the murder, were actually really engaging, and not what I was expecting at all, especially since I’d tried Germinal years ago and thought it was dull. After the murder though, it just started to feel dragged out and kind of samey. I don’t think I got much more out of Therese and Laurent’s misery after 50 pages of that than I did in the first 10. And the ending, I get why they decide to kill each other, but the whole mutual suicide thing felt weirdly romantic for someone supposedly writing Naturalism. I think I would’ve preferred if one of them killed the other, and then when that still didn’t fix anything, they ended it themselves. I kept wondering about the religion angle too. Maybe Therese and Camille couldn’t divorce because of Catholicism, but why no annulment? And later, when Therese and Laurent were trying so hard to deal with the guilt, why didn’t either of them go confess to a priest? Even if they didn’t believe, it seems like it would’ve been worth a try. Same with drinking and drugs — they barely even try anything there. They only drink at the very end, and drugs don’t come up at all. And honestly, the amount of trauma they have over the murder felt kind of excessive to me. People willing to plan something that cold-blooded don’t really seem like they’d spend that much time falling apart afterward. Also, the whole Camille presence thing got almost horror-story level at one point. Were people just more dramatic back then? As for the writing, there was a lot of telling instead of showing. I can’t tell if Zola got away with that because that’s just how people wrote then, or because he’s so good, or maybe he didn’t really get away with it and the book would’ve been stronger with more showing and less telling.

Therese Raquin by Emile Zola?

By SophieReads79

Just finished this one, and overall I liked it, but I kept feeling like the author would go over the same character stuff and their situation again and again. Has anyone else read it? What did you think? Also, do you think Zola actually got better in his later books?

What was the book that stayed with you this year?

By ivoryHawk

Hey everyone! Long time no post. As the year’s wrapping up, I keep thinking about how weirdly much reading has been messing with my brain in a good way—how I see other people, history, myself, and just the whole world this year. I will say though, I didn’t read a ton. I fell into a pretty rough slump and my reading slowed down a lot, but the few books I did get through stuck with me longer than they usually do. They kind of stayed in the background. So I’m curious—what was the best book you read this year, and why did it hit you like that? Did anything genuinely change how you think, or push back on your usual way of seeing things? Also, what are you planning to read next year? I’m trying to ease back into it more intentionally. I really want to spend more time on non-fiction and classics, since I’ve been meaning to dig into those for a while. Would love to hear what everyone recommends—trying to end the year with some good reading vibes and ideas.

If you love *blank* then you should read *blank*

By BadgerBookish

Hey! Drop some titles in the comments and let’s see what everyone suggests that’s similar. I’ll go first: if I really liked *Les Misérables*, what should I read next?

What 'old' books should get more attention than they do?

By drizzle-plasma

Can we keep it to books published from 1800 to 1920? I’m hoping to hear about stuff from that period that you feel deserves a lot more credit than it gets, but that most people probably haven’t heard of.

French Literature

By aquakey31

If you’re into the classics (and French lit in particular), I’ve got a question. I’m a big fan of *Madame Bovary* and I want to dig into more Flaubert, but I honestly don’t know where to jump in with Zola, Stendhal, or Balzac. Any suggestions on what to start with?

Emile Zola,Germinal Kitabı

By windowOrange

Emile Zola’nın Germinal’ini okuyorum, bitirmeme baya az kaldı. Bu kitapla ilgili siz ne düşünüyorsunuz? Yoldaşlar, fikirlerinizi yazın da konuşalım, tartışalım.

I am reading Germinal by Zola and I am astounded by it… I had never heard of the book or the author

By brightbutton

I’m still pretty early in the book, but the coal mine stuff already gets to me. I feel kind of anxious reading it, like I’m stuck in that space. The cold is written so you can almost feel it grabbing you—like it’s just everywhere and you can’t get away from it. And when it talks about the horses working down in the mines, it honestly made me feel really worn down about people. Overall it’s probably one of the best things I’ve started in ages, so now I’m wondering if I just missed it all along, or if Zola is more underappreciated than I realized.

Zola's Rougon-Macquart Cycle - Is it even good?

By wanders_niata1981

Yeah, it’s probably the best one.

A 5 star book you never see anyone talking about?

By jar967

I’ve been scrolling for book recs on TikTok and it feels like I keep running into the same few authors and titles over and over. Anyone know of any books/authors that don’t really get the hype they should? I’m really hoping to find some hidden gems 🙏

Just finished Germinal by Émile Zola...just wow. What a book. But I think it shattered me right alongside Catherine.

By curiousBookmark

I’ve gotten through plenty of “classic” stuff where the women are basically helpless from page one, and it drives me nuts. I can still enjoy a classic romance storyline sometimes, but I really do want the heroine to actually push back, not just take whatever comes. I picked up *Germinal* kind of on a whim, with barely knowing anything about it, and Catherine honestly felt like fresh air at first. In the mines she’s doing the same brutal work as the men and manages to keep going without acting like she’s made of glass. For a bit I actually thought she might be different from all those tragic women you’re supposed to feel bad for. Then the book just… kept slowly stripping her down, and watching her autonomy get taken away little by little was exhausting. The mine already sounds awful, but with Catherine it’s like the cruelty doesn’t stop when she comes out. She’s dealing with the same backbreaking labor and then on top of that she’s constantly treated like she has less worth because she’s a woman. And her relationship with Chaval is so infuriating—his possessiveness, the way he gets colder and meaner over time, until she’s not a person anymore, just someone trapped in his control. What really bothered me too is that she’s not only getting crushed by the mining company—Chaval is doing it personally. And when that awful moment happens, the rape is framed mostly through Étienne’s reaction. I kept feeling like Catherine’s pain was getting sidelined, like the point was more about what it did to him than what she was going through. And then near the end, when Chaval finally acts even a little tender, that hit me the hardest. After everything he put her through, it’s like he only shows “basic decency” when she’s almost dying in the mine. I actually cried when she asked why he can’t be like that more. And then he basically says he’s the same as any other man. The part that really stayed with me is that Catherine even wonders if he’s right, because she’s never known a woman who was treated well. That thought just sat heavy. Reading *Germinal* was emotionally intense, and Catherine’s story in particular messed with me more than I expected. It’s such a gut punch reminder that strength doesn’t magically shield women from the systems and the men who hurt them. Even in fiction, even with “history,” it feels like women’s suffering gets doubled—working just as hard while also having to endure violence on top of it. Catherine deserved better. They all did.